Tuesday, 15 August 2017



In the beginning


It all started for my Wife Marilou with what we thought was a bout of food poisoning.  She had another couple of episodes within about 6 weeks, and the penny finally dropped that the pain she had wasn’t food poisoning.  A trip to hospital during the third episode resulted in a diagnosis of acute Pancreatitis caused by Gall Stones, with a recommendation to remove the Gall Bladder (GB).  We weren’t keen on the idea, and despite intense pressure to have her GB out, Marilou left hospital once her Pancreas had settled down and we looked at a low fat diet to control her condition, as we noted she was symptom free as long as she didn’t eat anything high in fat.  Discovering through research that the GB also has an associated lymph node, called Lund’s node, which is also removed with the GB, only strengthened our resolve to keep it.

12 mostly symptom free months later, Marilou had another Pancreatitis attack after accidently eating something high in fat, and this time she had pain in a different area once her Pancreatitis pain settled, and this lasted much longer.  Another trip to the hospital, and not only Pancreatitis was diagnosed, but an inflamed GB.  More intense pressure from the doctors to take the GB out, but again we resisted.  While Marilou was in hospital I frantically looked up alternatives to GB removal, which there isn’t here in Australia, and it wasn’t until roughly one week after my Wife was out of hospital that I found a possible solution, and it was in China!

After much reading, it seemed that the philosophy in China was completely different to the West, and they only remove the GB as a last resort.  I found an English language website for a hospital in Guangzhou that offered the operation to foreigners, http://nogallstones.com.  Also, I found these blogs of people that had been to China and had the surgery, which were critical in the decision making process;
Also, the ‘original’ blog done by an Estonian bloke living in the UK, whatisgallstone.com , which is no longer up but can be accessed using
https://web.archive.org/web/20150816144916/http://whatisgallstone.com:80/, had a lot of feedback from people that had the surgery.  I couldn’t find anyone with negative feedback, which coupled with the other bloggers gave us the confidence to look into the Chinese option.

Decision is made


We applied to the hospital, and were given the ok once Marilou’s GB inflammation was confirmed to have gone by an MRI scan.  We were impressed that the hospital was thorough in their checking that potential patients were suitable for the operation.  Note we found their English via email was ok, but a bit rough around the edges.  We didn’t allow that to deter us as their processes looked good.  Also, the fact they use a Hotmail email address initially didn’t look good to us, but we found out that is due to IT in China, and not a reflection on the hospital.  We obtained an invitation letter from the hospital, and were able to get VISAs to travel to China without problems using it.  So we were off to China!  Marilou, myself (Mark), and our Son Gerard, who wasn’t quite two years old. 

China!


Although we arrived around 5am, Natalie from the hospital was good enough to meet us there with a driver, and transport us to the hospital.  Natalie is a lovely lady, and we feel very indebted to her for making us feel so comfortable when we first arrived, and during our stay.  The hospital was a smallish suburban hospital in the Dashi suburb of Guangzhou, and was in a very busy area (note a new hospital has been built, so they may have moved into it by now).  The streets around the hospital were always full of people, and we felt very much immersed in the Chinese culture.

Our initial impression of the room we were given for our stay in the hospital was a little disappointing, in that the floor was a bit dusty, and the overall impression was it was run down.  Again, this didn’t put us off in the long run as they were obviously putting their resources into the new hospital, plus to have their successful record meant everything they do had to be professional.  This was confirmed by the rest of our stay.

Marilou had her pre-op tests the following day and was given the go ahead for surgery the next day at 8.30am.  During her tests, she met two other lovely ladies who were being operated on the same day, one from the US and another from the Ukraine.  It was good to be able to talk over our different experiences and settle some of the nerves which are natural when traveling to a foreign country for surgery.

Payment was via cash at their cashier, so we took our Australian currency which we had brought with us to a local bank to change into RMB.  This process was a bit time consuming but ultimately not difficult.  There is plenty of security in the banks we saw, so we never felt threatened when changing so much money.  Also getting the money from a bank was insurance against getting fake notes, which are apparently common, and which the local shops often check for.

Later in the afternoon we were all brought together to go over the paperwork which comes with all operations.  All possibilities were covered, and all questions answered, and it was very professional.  An interesting part of the paperwork was Dr Qiao and the anesthetist signing off on it promising to do their best.  Also, while going over the paperwork it was pointed out that the mistakes listed as possibilities had never occurred.  I was amazed when I found out that during the operation I was going to have the opportunity to watch it live via a monitor streaming the pictures from the theater.

Surgery


The next day was the big day, and while Marilou was prepped and taken to the theater, I was ushered into a room adjoining a lecture room to watch the operation.  I got to see it from when they started removing the Gall Stones, and whilst not for everyone, I found watching it fascinating and even comforting, as who in the western world would allow the family to watch an operation?  Marilou had a large number, mostly of a similar size, and they looked like yellow marbles being removed.

Once the operation was finished I was taken to meet Dr Qiao, who reported on the operation via Mary, the hospital interpreter.  The operation was a complete success, and Marilou’s GB was reported to be very healthy, so she could expect a quick recovery.  The Gall Stones, being yellow, were confirmed to be cholesterol stones.  I was shown the stones, and took a picture of them, although later they were given to us in a jar, plus a recording of the part of the operation I had watched.

Recovery


The post-op care was excellent, and Marilou that first day was visited seemingly every 20 minutes or so to make sure everything was ok.  As she recovered over the next few days in the hospital she needed less attention, but we always felt well looked after, and our questions were always answered. 
The day we left the hospital, we weren’t able to say goodbye to all the staff as they were busy with new arrivals, which we were disappointed about, as they really touched our hearts.  We bought some chocolates for them and left them at the nurses station as a small token of our thanks.
The driver from the hospital took us to our hotel in the centre of Guangzhou, the Sheridan, and we spent three days there recovering and seeing a bit of the city.  The city is very clean and modern, and just like at the hospital, we found the Chinese people to be very friendly.
Since returning from China, Marilou has been able to eat normally with no digestion problems.  The only side effect of the operation was a bit of bloating, which slowed receded, and now two or so months later has almost gone.  Bloating is a common side effect of surgeries though.

Some notes on the whole experience


-         Some, but not all, of the doctors and staff speak English.  If ever we had questions, they always got someone who spoke English to come and see us.  Mary, their interpreter, and Natalie, who is a Russian doctor doing most of the liaison and coordinating for the foreign patients, speak good English.
-        A section of the 7th floor was reserved for foreign patients, so we weren’t mixed with the locals.  I noticed at night the nurses always made sure our doors were locked, so we felt very safe.
-        The food provided to us each day was from a local restaurant, and was very Chinese.  However, it was good and even our Son was happy to eat it.
-        Our water was provided by a water cooler of pure water, with a new bottle supplied when needed.  We only drank pure water from bottles for the whole trip.
-        The TV only had Chinese stations, but we didn’t use it as our primary entertainment.
-        There were a lot of small shops around the hospital where we could buy pretty much anything we needed.
-        The major banks where you can exchange currency were around 10 minutes walk from the hospital.  I would recommend finding them via Google Earth before you go and taking a map with you.  We walked to the banks as a group with the other couples there for the operation, but if I was alone I would have liked to have a map.  The staff at the hospital do help with directions.  We went to the ABC bank, whilst some of the others went to HSBC.  Any of the major banks are ok to use, and they have people there that speak English.
-        The air in the Dashi district is quite smoggy, so if you are sensitive to polluted air I would take a mask.  We were ok, but I noticed after a walk through the district I always came back with a metallic taste in my mouth.  Funnily enough, the centre of Guangzhou where our hotel was didn’t have that problem.
-        If you want to get a photo with Dr Qiao, do so when you meet him.  We missed out as we were busy with things and we thought we could see him when we left, but he is a busy man, as are the other doctors and staff, so take your chance!

    6 months on


      Marilou had her first check up the other day, 6 months after her operation in China, prompted by the hospital doing a follow up.  Her Gall Bladder is clear of Gallstones and sludge, although her Liver has some minor 'fattiness'.  This is due to her diet being a bit heavy for a while, so she has corrected her diet to cleanse her Liver again.  Below is one of her scans.

     

      Photo of us in the old hospital courtyard - Marilou, myself and Gerard on the right



    

42 comments:

  1. Hi Mark & Marilou, Iam going to add my blog here too. Please reference your blog on mine as well. For those of you reading my comment, me and Mariloud were operated the same day in China, along with others. We had a very good experience. I have healed completely and of course can eat anything I want! ;-) I hope my stone does not grow back, but if if it does, I would not hesitate to go back.
    http://mygallbladderpreservationstory.blogspot.com/

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  2. Hi Marilou,

    how are you doing after the op ? have you done the US check yet ?

    Thanks

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    1. Hello Rysiek,

      the hospital in China followed up the other day to see how Marilou was going, so she had a scan and her Gall Bladder is clear. Her liver has minor fattiness, which is due to her eating a heavier diet for a while. She is on a diet now to cleanse her liver, which she has successfully done before. I have updated the blog, including one of her scan images.

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  3. Hi Mark and Marylou, thank you for posting your experience. I really appreciate it you may share your story. How are you? Hope both of you are still in good health. How is your wife's gallbladder now? Your blog is the 4th blog I've found in internet so far. In 2015 I only found Eugene's blog. I read it and feel amazed but just couldn't believe that only hospital in China can take out the stone without remove the 'house'. But that time it's hard for me to convince my self and my father to accompany me go to China because we didn't have many references. Just now, I found your blog and 2 other blogs (Lawrence's and Monica's). Your blogs are very helpfull for people to see other option. I too was diagnosed had sludge in 2012, but I was not to look after seriously because I just felt sometime little bit uncomfortable in my uppper right. But in 2013 I was starting to feel very very sick and now I feel some different symptoms. According to my usg report in 2013-2014 the sludge became to many tiny stones (uncountable doctor said). Maybe the stones are getting bigger now. So I was thinking I have to force my self go to Guangzhou even I hv to go alone this year (my father passed away in Nov 2017). I donot wanna loose my gallbladder. Please if you know others blogs with the same experience would be better so it can encourage me more. Thank you so much.

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    1. Hi Narosse,

      I have contacted about 20 patients who went there - USA, Canada, Finland, UK, Kazachstan, Russia. All of them said that they would do it again. I am also planning trip over to China to have mu stone removed. I will probably go alone. Maybe we could coordinate our calendars and go there together ? let me know what do you think about that.

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    2. Hello Narosse,

      my wife is doing very well, and can eat whatever she wants without problems. The only symptom she had that lingered a bit after the operation was bloating, but that is common for these types of operations, and her stomach has now gone back to normal.

      Since her 6 month check up, when it was found her Liver was slightly fatty, she has been on a Liver cleansing diet, so it won't last. For your whole digestive system health it is most important to keep a good diet, and there is a lot of information out there on what to eat for healthy bile, which is so important for a healthy Gall Bladder. Prior to her Gall Bladder problems my wife ate a high fat diet and knew she had a fatty Liver, and after a few years had gall stones.

      My wife had about 150 gall stones removed, and we have them here in a jar as a reminder. They were mostly around 5mm in size, so your case may be similar. They were yellow, so were cholesterol stones. This is consistent with her high fat diet and fatty Liver.


      I'm not sure if you have seen Gina's blog; https://thebodymind.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/my-miracle-gallbladder-surgery She is here is Australia, and I had email conversations with Gina and also Lawren in the US. Monica, who did the other blog, is from the US and had the operation on the same day Marilou did in May last year. She is a lovely lady.


      I spoke at length with Natalie from the hospital when we were over there - Natalie is a Russian doctor who arranges everything for foreign patients and speaks good English, and she told me many women have travelled to China alone for the operation. Note they pick you up from the airport and drop you back again which helps.

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    3. Hi Rysiek,
      Sounds good, but I hv to see my doctor at the end of the month or April maybe, for scan my abdomen to know the appearance of my gallbladder, the thickness, size, shape, etc. It will useful for People's Hospital to know my current condition and let me know if they can handle my case. They will send an official invitation letter if ok, so I can use that for arrange my visa. I do not know how long the process until I get the visa. Perhaps on May or June I hope. I prefer to visit China not in cold weather. I can stand in cold weather, I am thin now due to the gallstones. How about you, do you prepare your documents already? But, I think if you are ready do not postpone.

      Hi Mark,
      I am glad to know that you are doing well, keep on healthy.
      My regrets are 1st my diet was high fat in years, 2nd reduced my weight so quickly, 3rd I did not pay attention to my first scan in 2012 that shown some sludge.
      Actually I hv some questions (I see at People’s Hospital website there is consultation part) I just wondering how the doctor stitch the inner soft skin tissue, can it works properly and no leaks since there was a stitches in gallbladder’s wall? Can it form a scar? How long the operation will take if someone has hundreds stones, do they needs transfusion? Etc.
      Gina’s, I forgot mentioned it. So there are 5 bloggers I ever seen though.
      Yes, I hope I can meet Natalie.
      Thank you so much.

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    4. Hello Narosse,

      fast weight loss is a risk factor for gall stones, and so is pregnancy (my wife gave birth roughly 12 months before she started having problems). But I think the big thing for my wife was a high fat 'western' style diet. I'm proud of her as she has really changed her ways now her Liver was reported to be a little bit fatty again (after the op she ate some heavy food again for a while).

      My wife's operation only took about 1 hour, and the removal of her 150 stones didn't take that long as I was watching it live on a monitor! They grab bundles of stones at a time, and it is amazing technology. In regards to the Gall Bladder stitch up, this is from their web site;

      "At last, we sew the incision of the gallbladder bottom with absorbable catgut by double interlocking suture, then make sure that the suture is tight enough and then sew the abdominal wall layer by layer. In the end, the skin sticks by medical glue, so you can’t see any stitches from the outside."

      There is no infusion involved, and although I'm not a medical person, from what I can tell this operation is a relatedly minor one compared to actually removing it, which is major surgery with much more impact on the body. That is just my opinion though.

      The major reason I put our blog together was the 3 blogs I found really helped with our decision making, so we figured more blogs of real experiences should really help people. We talked to Monica about it in China, and she has also done a blog. Also the fact we could ask them questions really helped, as everyone we knew was against going to China.

      Natalie is a really lovely lady, and I was very disappointed we missed saying good bye to her and Mary (the interpreter) before we left as they were all very busy with new arrivals. The staff there really touched our hearts.

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    5. Hello Narosse,

      I am planning to make a trip somewhere between July and August. How are your arrangements ?

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  4. Dear Mark and Marylou - thanks for posting. I am planning for surgery but I was asked to make 100 % payment upfront even before surgery. Was this your experience as well? Thank you for any feedback you can provide. Best wishes

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    1. Hello Anonymous,

      that makes no sense at all if it is before you go over there - they don't approve you for surgery until you pass tests at the hospital, so they wouldn't ask for payment before then. You have to pay at the hospital cashier in cash after you have the tests and are approved. Also from their website;

      "Payment can be made in hospital's cashier only after getting admission for surgery according to patient's examination resutls."

      I guess technically payment is before the operation, but with our experience it was the afternoon before Marilou was operated on at 8.30am the next morning. You are already staying in the hospital, so there is nothing suspect about that.

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    2. Thanks. I asked the agent Regina and she said that I could make a partial payment upfront first. It isn't typical in my experience to pay everything upfront.

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  5. Hello Mark and Marilou,

    I'm considering having this operation done, and I have a few questions about your experience.

    How long from the day of the operation did it take for you to be physically recovered enough for the trip back?

    How much did you have to spend for the whole trip, including the operation? I'm having trouble estimating how much the whole thing costs.

    Is it possible for one person to go have the operation alone? Or is having someone else along pretty much necessary?

    Best wishes,
    Matic

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    1. Hello Matic,

      my wife made the mistake of trying to use her stomach muscles the first day after the operation when getting out of bed, so she was sorer than she should have been. As it was though she was fine to go home a few days after the operation, which is when she was released from the hospital. She just couldn't lift anything heavy.

      While you are in the hospital you don't need to purchase anything as all food, water and toiletries are provided. Just be sure you bring anything else you would want with you. The mattresses were quite thin, so you could consider bringing a thin blow up mattress. The main costs therefore were the airfare and operation.

      Natalie told me many women come for the operation by themselves, and Gina (blog https://thebodymind.wordpress.com/) went by herself. I would say having a travel companion is a big plus, but not essential.

      Mark and Marilou.

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  6. Hello Mark and Marilou,
    Just let you know that in first December I will be ready in Guangzhou. My visa is approved and my ticket is done. I also already inform my flight details to hospital, for pickup reason. But one thing that I am not understand that, besides they asked me about the air route, complete name, ticket number they also asked me about the payment method of the ticket. Is it necessary they have to know the method I pay the ticket? Did you had the same case with me?

    I really appreciate your time to read and reply my mail.

    Thank you in advance.



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    1. Hello Anonymous (Matic?),

      I looked up our correspondence with the hospital and I sent them the flight itinerary and the receipt from the purchase of the tickets as proof. I think that is what you mean? I know they do this as they have had some people cancel on them at the last minute due to one reason or another. I remember Natalie, on the drive to the hospital, telling us of one lady who had paid for her flight and never showed up as her family put so much pressure on her not to go. So they are cautious with making sure you are committed.

      If you have any other questions please let me know.

      Cheers,

      Mark and Marilou.

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    2. Hello Mark & Marilou. Thank yo for your kind reply. It's Narosse :). Actually I did posted a message a week ago as my reply to you and I come back here to see whether I got replied from you about my question but see my mail wais not here :). Anyways, I have some questions please, how did your wife maintain her diet to keep her gallbladder stay calm? I am worried because getting closer to my departure date I frequently got some attacks. I get vomiting, extremely burping, stiff neck, migrain, hard to breath, low blood pressure. Iam affraid my gallbladder get inflammation. 2. In your wife experience, how long to take the inflammation gone away? Did they asked your wife to get another scan before you go to Guangzhou? 3. How many hours to get to the hospital by car? I will take a taxi just in case they can not pick me up in the airport since I will be arrived at night. 4. Is there any hotel nearest to the hospital (by walk)? Thank you once again for your time and attention.

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    3. Hello Narosse,

      there is a lot of information on the Internet in regards to good diets for keeping your Gall Bladder healthy, so that is what we based her diet on. This site is an example, but there are a lot out there; https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/features/gallbladder-diet-foods-for-gallbadder-problems#2

      In regards to whether your Gall Bladder is inflamed, you will need to be honest with the hospital as they won't operate if it is so it could be a wasted trip. I am no doctor, but it sounds like you need a check up, but you also need to be very strict with your diet once you look up what you should eat for your Gall Bladder health.

      Yes, the hospital asked for a scan of my Wife's Gall Bladder before they would reserve a ward for us as they won't operate if it is inflammed, and it was inflamed when I first made contact with them. I just looked up the email they sent us at the time, and they advised it can take 3-4 weeks for the inflammation to subside. I think it took 3 weeks for my Wife, and she was on a strict diet the whole time and symptom free.

      The trip to the old hospital from the airport took around 45 minutes. I am not sure about the new hospital as I haven't seen it but I am guessing it would be similar. The hospital confirmed they would pick us up at the airport before we left after we advised the time we were due to arrive, and we arrived at 5am!

      In regards to hotels, around the old hospital there wasn't anything I can remember, but if there was I wouldn't have stayed there anyway as they would only be small. We stayed at the Sheraton in the middle of the city, which was expensive, but I really wanted my Wife to be comfortable over there.

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  7. Hello Mark and Marilou,
    Good morning, it's Narosse :)
    Thank you for your kind reply. Getting closer to the day I even more worry and nervous. Nervous about my trip and surgery. I never been take a long trip before and this is will be my first surgery.
    Yes maybe they just asked me the receipt from the purchase of the tickets like you said. I too much thinking :)

    Did you received any official letter from hospital/doctor that mentioned your wife will get a surgery on a certain date, it's like a guarantee that they will not change the date or cancel the plan since you got your tickets already?

    Thank you.
    Regards,
    Narosse


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    1. Hello Narosse,

      it is quite natural to be nervous, as you are going outside of your comfort zone. Also your first operation and it is overseas, that all contributes to anxiety. We were nervous, and talked to as many people as we could find with experience before going over to settle our minds. What really helped us was meeting the staff and then Dr Qiao before the operation, as they were all very professional and they obviously cared. Dr Qiao has a presence about him that gives you a lot of confidence.

      All our correspondence with the hospital was via email, and they did email saying our ward was reserved once we provide them with the airline tickets and receipt of purchase. If they haven't yet, ask them to email saying they have reserved it for you, but they are very genuine people so they won't back out on you.

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  8. Hello Mark & Marilou,
    Thank you so much for your information. It is very helpful. I more relax now. 2 days ago I've got an email that they've made a ward reservation for me with complete facilities more than a hotel I think and I'm so glad that they will pick me up at the airport at night even if the airplane delays also after surgery they will drive me back to the airport.

    Regards,Narosse.



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  9. Hello Narosse,
    I hope you are well. I believe that you are going to be OK. They are professionals. Nothing to be worried about. I will going there as well. Just have to wait few months more. Did you organize your trip directly with the hospital and dr. Qiao assistant, Dr. Wang ?

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  10. Hello Rysiek,
    Apologize for my late reply. I did not opened this blog since my last post. It is been 2 weeks I returned to my home town. I went to Guangzhou on 27 Nov and back home on 7 Dec. First day we stayed 1 night in hotel. Next day me and my brother check in the hospital. In the same day I directly sent to took a general check up. Blood test, USG, CT scan, X-ray. (FYI, if you plan to come next year, probably you will come to their new hospital). My surgery was on 29 Nov. During in the hospital I was helped by Natalie as my interpreter. She is a kind lady. But during my examination until my surgery day I could not met or talked to the doctor (Dr. Chiao) even until my recovery days in hospital. I really disappointed, why he did not give/ spend time to talk to his patient? I really wanted to know direct from him about my condition esp. my gallbladder. Because all that time I always communicated with Natalie. When I got rest in rthe room (1st or 2nd day after surgery), I just met Dr. Wang. He spoke not much the point that I will be ok (seems he had to rush).

    Regards, narosse




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    1. Hello Narosse,

      good to hear you went over there and your operation was a success. We only saw Dr Qiao once briefly before the operation, and I also briefly spoke to him in the minutes after the operation when I was taken to an ante room of the theatre and he showed me the stones, and advised Marilou had a healthy Gall Bladder and should recover well. I am still kicking myself I didn't get a photo with him. Note he doesn't speak English, so all communication with him is through an interpreter, so talking at length about your condition with him would have been difficult. Dr Wang, as he speaks English, seems to be the designated doctor to communicate with, but you are right, even he is often busy.

      When we left we didn't even see Natalie or Mary (the interpreter) as everyone was rushing around with a new batch of patients arriving, so I am also kicking myself for not being able to say goodbye to them, as they are lovely people doing a difficult job (keeping foreigners relaxed). I left some chocolates for them and the nurses at the nursing station.

      Of interest, you were at the old hospital? It was meant to open last year but there were delays, and they seemed to think it would open in a few months (my impression). The old hospital is rough around the edges and rundown to western eyes, but Marilou told me the operating theatre was spotless and modern.

      Thanks, Mark.

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  11. Mark and Marilou, I would like to thank you kindly for putting up your blog. You, Monica, Lauren, and Gina all helped bring much information to this surgery. I was lost for what to do and found you all on the internet and it gave me hope. I traveled to China in February to talk with doctors about the surgery because with all the scams that exist I wanted to see with my own eyes if this was real...and it is. Dr. Wang answered all my questions and I signed up for surgery in June. It has now been a month after surgery and I feel great. I don't wake up with morning pain anymore and I eat anything I want, although I'm cutting out all the processed stuff and having home-cooked meals. Dr. Chiao seems to be a very busy man as he works in multiple hospitals. He was not at the hospital the day of my surgery- it was Dr. Wang who performed my surgery. I don't know if I had to ask for Dr. Chiao or how that worked, but Dr. Wang has been trained to do these surgeries as well. The new hospital will open in October...at least that is the new date given by contractors.It could be longer...Natalie wasn't too sure. I did travel alone and really wish, I had had someone to travel with as it would have made payment easier, but in the end it all worked out. I hope Marilou is doing wonderfully, best wishes to you and family.

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    1. Thanks Smiles,

      we are glad your experience was as good as ours. It has been 4 years for Marilou, and she is still doing well.

      Note this blog site didn't notify me of your comment, so I only just saw it now and was able to publish it.

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  12. Hello.
    I want ask where is exactly hospital.

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    1. Hello,

      the old hospital we went to 4 years ago is in the Dashi district of Guangzhou. On Google Maps it is called 'The People's Hospital of Dashi Panyu', and it is on Gangdong road. The latitude and longitude is;

      Lat 23° 1'28.51"N

      Long 113°18'5.82"E

      They have very likely moved to the new hospital they were building though.

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  13. Hi. How has your experience been after 4 years have passed? Also, I found this blog from Monica's blog. I wanted to ask Monica a question but her blog will not post. Do you know if there is any way I can contact her?
    Thanks..

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    1. Hello 'canadian', Marilou is doing well 4 years on, and hasn't had any problems.

      We have lost contact with Monica, so I can't help with contacting her unfortunately.

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    2. Can you please contact information for who one needs to make arrangements with for this operation. I am only able to find a russian website. I would like to make contact with the Drs or staff in Guangzhuo. Thanks

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    3. Hello Canadian, their English language website is gone! I recommend you try contacting them via the Russian website, although given international events recently, and things I have heard from people who have relatives in China, China is removing a lot of 'western' things from their country, so my guess is they have unfortunately stopped doing this operation for westerners. It is very saddening. My guess also is they are still offering it for Russians. If you find out please post back for the sake of others.

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  14. Can you please provide contact information for the people to make arrangements for this operation.. I have only been able to find a russian website for contact. I would like to make conatact with the Drs or staff in Guangzhou that you made arrangements with. Thanks

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  15. Hello, thank you for wiring this informative blog post. I’m considering it myself now, given I’m in the US and my only option is removal. Would it be ok to email and/or chat with you more about this before I make the decision to do the surgery?

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    1. Hello,

      I had the operation there last year. If you give me some way of contacting you, I can answer your questions.

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  16. Hello Tim, I don't think they are doing the operation for foreigners anymore as China has been cutting ties with the west. I noticed their English language website disappeared. There was a Russian language one still up, but I haven't checked it for some time. China is still keeping ties going with Russia, so maybe they are only helping Russians now? It is a pity. My Wife is now 7 years symptom free.

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    1. Hello,

      I'm not Russian and I had the operation there in September 2023. The English website was already gone by then, so I got the info from the Russian one (I used Chrome's translation feature to translate the whole site to English). I contacted the hospital (or rather the company that owns the website and serves as the mediary between foreigners and the hospital) by email nogallstones@gmail.com.

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    2. Great news - did you ask them why they got rid of their English language site? Also did you see Dr Qiao? They were getting some of the other Drs to do the operations soon after we left - I think Dr Wang was the first, and he speaks English. It has been 7 years since we were there. I'm also guessing they are at their new hospital finally?

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    3. From Gina's blog (second link at the top of this page), Dr Wang confirmed they are still operating on foreigners as advised here, and she provided Dr Wang's contact details;

      wkysxf@163.com
      Tel: +8613688895486
      WeChat: 13688895486

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    4. I did not ask why the English site is down. I did not see dr. Qiao. I met and was operated on by dr. Wang. He spoke English. The hospital was:

      Name: The Second People's Hospital of Panyu Guangzhou
      Address: No.138, Qunxian Road, Dashi Street, Panyu district, Guangzhou
      Map: https://mapcarta.com/W890582855
      Website: http://www.py2y.com/

      The hospital was fairly new. I hope this helps anyone. If anyone wants information up-to-date until 2023, feel free to contact me by asking me here or giving me your contact info, or we can meet on a public chat somewhere (I'm not sharing my private contact info here).

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    5. Thanks! Dr Wang assisted with my Wife's operation, and I found his English good. The old hospital was on Gangdong road, so I'm really happy they have their new hospital. Is Natalie still working there? She is worth her weight in gold, but all the staff were excellent.

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  17. Yes, dr. Wang was able to answer all of my questions.
    The new hospital was good. The rooms are not luxurious, but everything worked. The staff was kind, capable, and efficient.
    Natalie helped me remotely, one of her employees helped me on-site. Both were very helpful.

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